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On March 14, 2025, the Senate Finance Committee held a hearing to consider the nomination of Dr. Mehmet Oz to be the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). There was bipartisan agreement about certain topics, such as the need to address the high cost of health care, concerns about rural health, the benefits of telehealth, and the need to address concerns about the Medicare Advantage (MA) program. The biggest partisan difference on display was on the topic of how Republican reconciliation legislation would impact Medicaid funding. Democratic Senators argued that the proposal would lead to losses in coverage for those who needed it, and Republican Senators countered that Medicaid reform was about protecting coverage for those who really needed it.

OPENING STATEMENTS

• Committee Chair Mike Crapo (R-ID)
• Committee Ranking Member Ron Wyden (D-OR)

WITNESS TESTIMONY

•  Dr. Mehmet Oz

MEMBER QUESTIONS

Medicaid

Democratic Senators expressed concerns that the proposed Republican reconciliation legislation, as passed by the House of Representatives, would lead to Medicaid cuts that would hurt families, mothers, children, and providers (especially rural providers). In response to questions as to his thoughts about these potential cuts, he said he had not seen legislation that would cut Medicaid funding but said protecting Medicaid means making sure it is stable over the long term. When asked about his thoughts on work requirements from Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-GA), Dr. Oz said he supported them because of his support for the dignity of work but did not think they should be a barrier to coverage. Other Democratic Senators brought up the Medicaid expansion population. Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) expressed her concerns that Medicaid budget cuts could lead some states to drop coverage for the expansion population. When asked directly about his thoughts on Medicaid expansion by Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Dr. Oz said it works for some states, but other states may try other ways to provide coverage to the uninsured.

In contrast, Republican Senators who spoke about Medicaid funding tended to talk about the need to ensure the program was stable for those whom it was initially intended to help, that is, the poor, mothers, children, and people with disabilities. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) said there was a need to distinguish between Medicaid before and after the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Specifically, he argued that Medicaid expansion has been expensive, threatens the program’s ability to provide care for individuals such as people with disabilities, and has allowed certain states to game the system through the use of tools such as provider taxes. Dr. Oz agreed that by expanding the number of people on Medicaid without providing more resources to providers, you do stretch resources in a way that could impact those Medicaid was originally designed to help. Both Sens. Johnson and Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) cited concerns about Medicaid coverage for undocumented immigrants and foreign nationals. Dr. Oz said he would ensure that both Medicaid and Medicare eligibility are calculated accurately. He specifically cited an article about California’s effort to use federal dollars to pay for Medicaid coverage for undocumented immigrants. On another Medicaid-related topic, Committee Ranking Member Ron Wyden (D-OR) defended the nursing home staffing rule promulgated by the Biden administration. Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) countered that the rule may sound good but would lead to widespread closures, especially in rural areas. Dr. Oz said that examining this rule is something he wants to do early on if confirmed.

Medicare Advantage

Today’s hearing demonstrated that Senators on both sides of the aisle have concerns about the MA program. Specifically, Senators expressed concerns about charges that plans are upcoding to make patients appear sicker than they are, that they improperly deny coverage, that they engage in deceptive marketing, and that the program costs the government more than traditional Medicare. Even though Dr. Oz at one point proposed transitioning all Medicare patients to MA, he acknowledged these concerns and pledged to work with Senators on both sides of the aisle to address them. Notably, when asked by Ranking Member Wyden about what he saw as the biggest area of abuse in the private insurance market, he responded with MA sales practices. In answer to other Senators’ concerns about improper denials, he said he thinks there are too many procedures that require prior authorization and that standardization is needed when it comes to what does and what does not require prior authorization.

Chronic Health and Nutrition

Several Senators expressed concerns about the rate of chronic disease in America and asked Dr. Oz how CMS might address this concern. In answer to a question about this from Sen. Roger Marshall (R-KS), Dr. Oz said that incentivizing beneficiaries to make healthy choices was a worthy goal and said he had conversations with Ranking Member Wyden about this. Sen. Todd Young (R-IN) asked what reforms could be made in CMS to promote prevention efforts for chronic diseases. Dr. Oz gave the example of how, in MA, some plans provide a food allowance, but there is no guidance on how to eat healthy. Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) argued that the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) subsidizes unhealthy foods.

Rural Health

Senators on both sides of the aisle expressed concerns about rural health. Sens. Blackburn and Tina Smith (D-MN) highlighted their concerns about the closures of rural hospitals. In answer to a question from Sen. Blackburn about the low wage index, Dr. Oz committed to working with Congress. Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) brought up his concerns about the placement of graduate medical education (GME) slots in rural areas. Additionally, Senators such as Steve Daines (R-MT) and Cortez Masto (D-NV) expressed their support for telehealth. Dr. Oz also shared his support for telehealth and noted how larger institutions in specific areas can serve their regions.

Prescription Drugs

Senators on both sides of the aisle mentioned concerns about the cost of prescription drugs. Sens. Lankford and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) expressed their support for pharmacy benefit manager (PBM) reform. Dr. OZ said that while he believes PBMs do play a role, there needs to be reforms to increase transparency. Democratic Senators such as Ben Ray Luján (D-NM) and Peter Welch (D-VT) asked Dr. Oz about his position on solutions such as Medicare price negotiation and international reference pricing. Dr. Oz says he wanted to use all available tools to lower prescription drug costs.

Other Issues

•  Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) expressed his concerns about restrictions on Medicare beneficiaries’ access to innovative medical devices. Dr. Oz said the gap between when the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approves a product and when Medicare and Medicaid patients can access it needs to be shortened.
• Sen. Cantwell asked Dr. Oz if he would support bundling patients at or below 150% of the poverty line to ensure affordable access to care, especially if ACA tax subsidies expire. He said he would commit to looking at it as a solution.

On March 11, 2025, the House Ways and Means Health Subcommittee held a hearing on Ensuring Access to Quality Post-Acute Care. Democratic members centered their questions on potential Medicaid and Medicare budget cuts, while Republicans concentrated on the nursing home staffing rule and home health services. Both parties addressed the need for telehealth services. Both parties agreed that there should be quality post-acute care.

OPENING STATEMENTS

• Chairman Vern Buchanan (R-FL)
• Ranking Member LLoyd Doggett (D-TX)

WITNESS TESTIMONY

• Dr. Dana Madison, DNP, MBA, BSN, RN, Compassion Home Health Care
• Paul Dongilli, Jr., PH.D. CEO, Madonna Rehabilitation Hospitals
• Jonathan Fleece, President and CEO, Empath Health
• Lisa Grabert, MPH, Visiting Research Professor, Marquette University
• Eric Carlson, Director of Long-Term Services and Supports Advocacy, Justice in Aging

MEMBER DISCUSSION

Medicaid and Medicare Budget Cuts

Democratic members focused their discussion on potential Medicaid and Medicare budget cuts. Rep. Judy Chu (D-CA) emphasized her view that Republicans are planning to cut $880 billion from Medicaid and that would negatively impact seniors’ ability to access long-term care. She pointed out that Medicaid already only covers a limited number of rehabilitation days and asked how cuts would affect seniors relying on both Medicaid and Medicare. Mr. Carlson responded by highlighting that Medicaid assists millions of Americans in covering Medicare premiums, with 10 million relying on it to manage significant health care expenses. He emphasized that long-term care costs are a major burden for individuals across various income levels and that Medicaid serves as a critical safety net. He warned that any cuts would be devastating.

Rep. Steven Horsford (D-NV) added that Medicaid is the primary payer for 60% of long-term care spending. He expressed his concerns that cuts would force providers to reduce hours, increasing the risk of inadequate care. He then asked what steps were being taken to protect nursing home workers from the impact of Medicaid cuts and what the consequences of cuts would be for the long-term care workforce. Mr. Carlson warned that if cuts of the magnitude described by Democratic representatives were implemented, providers would struggle to continue operating, with the consequences ultimately falling on the health care providers and workforce.

Rep. Don Beyer (D-VA) expressed his concerns about what he described as cuts to health care services in the continuing resolution (C.R.). He argued that the bill was not a clean proposal but rather one that would cut $280 million from Alzheimer’s, kidney, and heart disease research. He questioned whether patient care would be impacted by budget cuts of this size. Mr. Carlson’s response was straightforward: “The simple answer is no.” He emphasized that the research programs could not continue to provide the necessary support under such severe budget reductions.

Nursing Staffing Rule

Rep. Scott Fitzpatrick (R-PA) highlighted the staffing shortages in his home district, noting the increased pressure on health care providers. He asked how staffing has changed in recent years and what challenges these shortages pose in treating patients. Dr. Madison responded that the shortage of registered nurses (RNs) has been a persistent issue, with a deficit of about 1,000 RNs in the past. She emphasized that telehealth could help alleviate some of these challenges but noted that many nurses left the profession during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Ranking Member Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) referenced a 2023 Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC) report that found skilled nursing facilities had funds exceeding 22% more than necessary, yet 20% of facilities relied on Medicaid to cover costs. He questioned whether there were enough workers to meet the required staffing standards. Mr. Carlson responded that regulations must be practical. He noted that while the staffing standard is not as high as some advocates had pushed for, 60% of facilities nationwide already meet it. He also argued that rural facilities have an extended phasing period until 2027 and 2029 to comply. Additionally, he also argued that if facilities demonstrate that labor shortages prevent them from meeting staffing requirements, they are exempt from penalties in that region.

Rep. David Kustoff (R-TN) then inquired about workforce shortages, asking whether many certified nursing assistants (CNAs) pursue higher levels of nursing education. Mr. Fleece acknowledged the challenges in recruiting and retaining workers, particularly given the pressures of runaway inflation. He stressed that hiring staff remains a significant challenge in the current health care landscape.

Home Health Services

Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-PA) discussed the importance of occupational therapy (OT) as a service available to patients through Medicare Part A for home health and introduced a bill aimed at streamlining the process for accessing home health care. He asked how the bill would improve patient access to care and what the financial implications might be. Dr. Madison responded that the bill would allow payment for any episodes of care, and if OT services were to be provided independently, they would be able to deliver the necessary care. She explained that this approach could lead to cost savings for agencies by reducing the expenses they would otherwise need to spend on other services.

Rep. Kustoff inquired about how home health services are provided in rural areas and how rural-based services align with the national average. Dr. Madison explained that home health services currently offer patient monitoring, such as blood pressure management, but pointed out that these services are not reimbursed at all, which presents a significant challenge.

There was concern from Rep. Greg Steube (R-FL) about the drastic decline in the number of home health providers and he asked for insights into the widespread closure of home health agencies. Mr. Fleece responded by emphasizing that home-based care is a key solution to today’s health care challenges. He discussed various models within the home-based care environment, noting that larger, not-for-profit agencies play a significant role in providing care, especially in underserved areas.

Telehealth

Rep. Carol Miller (R-WV) discussed the challenges rural patients face due to a lack of critical support, noting that the absence of central care increases recovery time and raises the risk of complications. She suggested expanding telehealth usage in post-acute care settings, which would allow for face-to-face visits via telehealth, as a solution to address these gaps. She asked about the impact of limited access to care, and the difficulties families face when visiting their loved ones. Dr. Dongilli acknowledged that this is a real issue for families, highlighting the challenges they face in relocating and accessing the necessary resources to care for their loved ones. He emphasized the importance of making it easier and more helpful for families to receive payments and support, with the goal of improving care for both patients and families.

Rep. Fitzpatrick pointed out that his home district is facing staff shortages, which are compounded by increasing pressure. He asked how staffing has changed in recent years and how these challenges impact the ability to treat patients. Dr. Madison responded by noting that there used to be a shortage of around 1,000 registered nurses (RNs), and that telehealth could help alleviate some of the strain. She also noted that many nurses left the profession during the COVID-19 pandemic, further exacerbating the shortage.

Rep. Blake Moore (R-UT) added that in most cases, telehealth is the best option for ensuring access to care and asked how the quality of telehealth services could be improved. Mr. Fleece emphasized that his organization serves rural communities and noted that telehealth is the primary means of ensuring access to care, especially for individuals suffering from chronic or acute conditions. He stressed the importance of maintaining and expanding telehealth services to ensure these patients receive the care they need.